And the new THS AD is ???
After reading recent comments to an article stating "Why has Tecumseh Posted the AD [athletic director] position when we all know who it is going to!" I thought I'd throw out my prediction as to who it will be - Jason Mensing - who else?
When Griff Mills was promoted to principal at Tecumseh High School I wasn't surprised at all. What did surprise me was the way I found out. It wasn't announced, at least to me, and was pretty hush-hush until someone let the cat out of the bag during a sports venue.
I like Jason Mensing, don’t get me wrong, but there may be other candidates who could do a better job, especially in an economy where there are probably a lot more prospects to check out. But, I really don’t think any one else but Mensing will get the job. We will see how prophetic I am won’t we?






Wrong, try again
Mickey - it would seem you missed the boat on this one.
without a paddle
AD
I think Mickey has it right...... I said the same thing several days ago in a post on here... Sorry "Howaboutdemapples" but unless some crazy thing happens Mensing will be the AD.
Mickey the only thing I would disagree with you on is the fact you said Mills was "promoted" this was again a very understandable thing, he was going to get the position without thought about anything else.Sure it was no surprise to you.... This is how they do things Mickey you know that!
Mickey- they will not consider anyone who does not "fit" their requirements for the AD position or any other position. These requirements are as you know are being a teacher and being a buddy to someone. people may believe I just have a grudge or have a problem with them because I was not hired as a coach. But this is about what I feel is discrimination in hiring and hiring practices that are unfair.
Not just you
Michael, it's not just you who feels that way. The Herald has heard from several others who say the same things.
Mickey!
Then I would love the Herald do a report on this! It is one thing to have heard from several people on this and that's as far as it goes, and having the School system be responsible on the issue.
I am glad it is not just me, as it was never just about me, but I continually get this attitude from people that I have a grudge because I speak out about the issue that has affected me several times over.
Again if it is NOT Mensing or some other teacher then I will be surprised! If it is not a teacher then the fact still remains that they have in my mind, still discriminated against many people with qualifications for the positions many times!
Mickey, If you remember I spoke out long age..... And it still goes on..... So why not now do a full report on the hiring and make people answer the question of WHY.
nope - not Mensing
It's someone else...
If not Mansing!
I will be surprised for one.... Not saying they can not do something that would surprise me but it would.... What would surprise me even more if it was someone that is NOT a teacher or someone who is a buddy of someone!
Their history of hiring Coaches and or now a AD is what it is, and often does not bring results..... as I say that I will also say I have a great deal of respect for the coaches as people. I have respect for Mills, but I do not respect the decisions he has made of hiring only teachers. This is discrimination in my mind, the only people qualified to coach is not just teachers.
Perhaps Mills was told to only hire teachers from someone above him? If this is the case then that person to me is unethical for doing do. Either way they should have to respond to why this is the case and I can see not better way to do that then have Mickey do a full report on the issue.
Wake up
Really, show me a school that isn't predominently run by administrators that are former teachers or coached by coaches who aren't also teachers. Tecumseh is no different than any of other school systems out there. It has been this way for ever and will probably continue to be this way well into the future. Most folks with regular jobs don't have the hours to permit them to devote the time it takes to be a head coach at a public school.
BTW - Has Mickey found anyone who will share with him the new AD's name yet? Maybe it is the one person that was indeed interviewed for the job that isn't a school teacher???
I understand what you are saying!
Just about every school is set up the same way sure, each has administrators that were former teachers or coached by coaches, Yes Tecumseh is not different. That was not my point. My point is that ALL of the schools no matter where they are should not fill open positions as coaches/ad to those that are only a teacher.
I know of many people who have a "regular" job who has plenty of time to be a head coach, and wants to do so but can not find an opportunity to do so. My "regular" job is going to school right now, I will be done in May 2011 with a bachelor in Sport Management degree. Will get a full time job and i want to coach.
The problem here is will I be able to find a coaching job in the public schools? With the hiring practices currently NO I WILL NOT.
So yes, the schools are set up of former teaches as administrators mostly, but to say this hiring practice is right or moral is unintelligent and plane wrong. To say the only people that should get coaching positions or AD positions because they are teachers is the problem not who runs the school. Or should I say they could be the problem because they continue to hire they way they do.
This thinking could be applied to anything say whatever line of work you do.... Lets say its being a Nurse..... You go to school to be one and look for a job but every where you apply says sorry you do not qualify. As time goes on you find out that others are getting hired only because they went to college at U OF M and you went to Jackson Community college. This would be wrong because you have qualifications and should be treated equal everywhere.
This hiring practice is wrong no matter where it is at.
Principal and AD Hiring
I just wanted to point out to you, Mickey, that even though everyone would love to run to you with every bit of news that concerns TPS or TPS athletics, the fact is that Mr. Mills' hiring would necessarily have to be kept "hush-hush" until the governing body of the TPS, the school board, decided that his hiring could be official. To my memory, there were stories in the paper the next day after this happened. Information before that would have been premature, though nobody could see a good reason why the board wouldn't approve his hiring. The same goes for the hiring of the AD, which incidentally was done with a great deal of care and an arguably excessive interview schedule. You may or may not find out who will be recommended, but we don't announce it until the board approves it.
this just in -
TPS' human resources department just told me the new AD was Casey Randolph. Last I knew he was a PE teacher for Patterson and Herrick Park Elementary Schools in Tecumseh and the varsity wrestling coach.
BINGO
Called that one! If Mickey is right....... Again I say all the more reason to do a article!
What Bingo??
Mike - it really wasn't hard to predict that the next AD would be a former teacher or coach - 99% or higher meet that criteria in all school systems. While an article on Mr. Randolph would be appropriate, there isn't any "dirt" there as you imply. Name 5 Superintendents, Principals or AD in Michigan schools who were not teachers and/or coaches first.
It is what it is, if you're feeling left out, get a teaching degree and a job and join the fraternity. Stop complaining and start changing yourself so that you can fill the role you obviously think you're destined to fill.
This is not about
Who, "Superintendents, Principals or AD in Michigan schools who were not teachers and/or coaches first."
This about the hiring of coaches really... I understand that in most cases Teachers get the AD position, but I was not talking about Principles or Superintendents at all. The hiring of a new AD simply because he is a teacher is wrong,
When I am done with school May of 2011, with a Sport management degree, I will have just as much qualifications as anyone but will not be hired unless a very lucky thing happens as a AD.
Please tell me WHY I MUST be a teacher to get this position or to coach!!! That is BULL!!!!! And WRONG.... I do not want to teach nor do I want to join the fraternity! And to tell me that is what I have to do to coach or be a AD is PLANE unethicle and wrong. I will have a degree in Sports Managemen, I have coaches for a long time and I provide as much leadership as anyone or more, but to say sorry not a teacher is unethical hiring.
Just like I said in a reply above.... About hiring of Nurces that went to one school and not the other school that they like. What if you were told over and over sorry you are not ___ and could not get a job you truly were good at and loved to do.
By the way I can only think of one AD who is not a teacher and is now the new AD at Morenci, I know their is more but I can not think of them right a way.
Qualifications for a job within TPS
I may be out of the loop here, but it seems like Mr. Nightingale is upset because he wasn't hired to coach a few years ago?
Perhaps one of the prerequisites of becoming a high school coach involves writing like you have a high school diploma. "Nurces," "managemen," "their," "as much qualifications," etc. does not exactly scream perfect educator for the youth of Tecumseh to me.
High school athletics are not about the sports, they are about teaching the youth of the community life lessons. Teachers happened to be trained in that area, hence the preference for high school teachers for the position. Of course, there are financial savings to be considered as well.
I vote TecumsehHerald.com sticks to the news and personal gripes can remain in local law offices - where they belong.
Try
Reading the posting below and answer some questions that are relevant to the problem.
proper coaching is a big deal
"High school athletics are not about the sports, they are about teaching the youth of the community life lessons"
this is a ridiculous statement. For several kids high school sports are where everything starts. We get it that most careers do require education in your typical things such as math, science, and English (which I do agree everyone should have knowledge of) but high school athletics can be just as important. With out proper training in an athletes sport of choice injuries can occur more often and I am sure that most parents don't want to have someone coaching their kid who is inadequately qualified and putting them in dangerous positions because they do not have the knowledge, that is supposed to come from their coach, to perform cerain athletic tasks properly. Another reason it is important is that this is where atheletics for some kids all begins, and could effect their future. With out proper training from the coach how will kids be able to learn their sport correctly and be able to compete for things such as scholarships or be able to play in college or even eventually have a career in it. They teach us that working hard is how we will be able to acheive theese things, but how can we work at something we never learned?
History says otherwise
Your statement that you "provide as much leadership as anyone or more" apparently didn't ring true when you were given a chance to Coach at Tecumseh.
@Howaboutdemapples
First I was never "given a chance to coach in Tecumseh" I served under a person who never wanted to be in the position in the first place and I was not allowed to "coach" outside of ONE game.
How nice of you to point this out as this is the normal way people go with a discussion on this topic. I have to point out several things here!
First I was NEVER in charge, Outside of one game in the middle of the season when players were as frustrated with things as they could be, sure it was not going to go right... I coached one game under the structure of others. But it was not MY LEADERSHIP that drove that season to not be what it could have.
Second IF you look at any game where I did take a more leadership role.. IE working with the kids, putting in to place a game plan, Strategy exc! They played much better and were MORE Successful then when I did not. Look at the Chelsea game for instance... MY leadership and instruction enabled the team to push the game in to overtime with a set play for a three point basket. Yes we lost but by one point if my memory serves me well!
Third That year MR. Mills was the head coach of the Varsity team.... HE has NO coaching experience at that level at all, and it showed. He used an offense that NO ONE understood, could play and drove the team apart, scrapping the the offense half way through the season and went to a Mover and Blocker offense that is so basic that a 3rd grade should use!
Forth I do not believe you know me that well to make a statement of my qualifications. If you were to know me you would know that my AAU Varsity team place 4th in the Districts of the Michigan AAU Basketball OR That in my 10 years of coaching only once did I have a year where we did not have a winning record. Every year after that we had only one to two losses.
SO UNLESS given the opportunity to coach and not have restrictions that were in place at Tecumseh you do not know! So perhaps you need to get a clearer understanding of the circumstances I was under at Tecumseh! Because it is unfair to judge, when I was never given the opportunity to lead the team in anyway that I could give them a solid system, solid fundamentals, Leadership, ethics, morals ....EXC
And to be clear, when I did provide more leadership and coaching MILLS told the JV coach to do things differently even though MILLS way was not working at all. ASK the person who was the JV coach at the time and IF he would be truthful will give you the same answer as I have.
But it is easy to make such a statement when trying to take the discussion away from what is right and wrong! The hiring of only teachers is wrong and unethical, their is no proof that says that they are the best for the position, often they have no formal training in coaching at all.
I am sorry, but I and so many others have formal training in Management of Sports, Leadership, Ethics, coaching training, educational training and more and to say we are not qualified, nor will we be hired because we are not teachers is unethical and discriminatory. Just because the system of hiring only teachers is and was the way things are done, does not make it right!
"educational training and more...."
I fear you are incorrect.
I fear you are incorrect. I have had contact with Randolph before and found him to be arrogant and unconcerned. This is simply another of a long line of bad hires by TPS.
@ Lorraine
Let me say first that I do believe Casey Randolph is a wonderful man, the same can be said for Mr. Mensing and Mr. Mills. I have never said they are not, in fact I have said these men are good people, good husbands,and good fathers many times over the years. I have never questioned these people personally, rather I have questioned some of the decisions they have made as administrators.
If you would take the time to also read and acknowledge, I have said many very good things about Tecumseh as well. One being that you and the entire staff of teachers at Tecumseh do a wonderful job of teaching the kids; this has never been in question. You have never seen me bashing, or questioning the teaching ability, nor have you seen me questioning the results of your
efforts.
However, you like so many others continue to take my heart felt feelings on this subject out of context, such as your statement of “I've read many of your comments and it seems that you are asking the district to hire a friendless stranger with no experience working with children.” I have never made such a statement, the fact is no one would hire a person with “no experience” I have never asked to be hired as a coach without having the qualifications to obtain the positions. I would never ask the school to hire a teacher without qualifications. The “friendless stranger” comment is crazy, because hundred of new people are hired every year to schools that would be deemed as a “stranger” to them.
You go on to say: “You have repeatedly commented that the successful candidate should not be a "buddy," should not be someone who is friends with the people here, and should not be a teacher or coach.
This statement is again is not what I have said, what I have said that there should be equal opportunity for coaching positions. What I have said is the “successful candidate” for the positions should not automatically be given to a teacher because you apply, and not be given to me because I am not a teacher, where you get all the other stuff I do not know, but to have a
hiring practice that says that only teachers will be given coaching positions is unethical and wrong. This would be like people telling you Tracy that sorry you are from the south and there for we only hire people who were from the north.
I know, as a Sport Manager that we make connection, a network of friends, but this should never be abused to the level that you get a position only on the qualifications of being a teacher, or being a buddy. It is one thing to get a position because of a contact and another to only hire certain applications This hiring practice only applies to coaching or coaching related
positions, you were not hired at Tecumseh based on the same policy, rather you were hired because you demonstrated the ability to carry out your position, so why should a non teacher looking to coach not have the same applied to them?
There have been many sports research studies that say, hiring a teacher who is most often unqualified to coach and is only looking to break up some free time and snatch the modest salary bump for coaching is a mistake. For a long time, schools have done this with the lesser sports such as swimming, golf and cross country. It’s not right. The schools that do this type
of hiring almost always have horrible results in the competitive arena no matter how talented the athletes are. You just can’t be successful without a qualified coach, and in turn, you are shortchanging the students who deserve some notice for that talent.
You should also remember our History, there once was a time where Women, African Americans and more did not have equal right and people fought for them, thus is the same for me as I am fighting for equal rights in hiring. Tracy to just dogmatically accept the policy of hiring only teachers as a policy is not questioning if it is ethical to have such a policy. Instead why not apply this policy to some ethical questions and come up with our own answer instead of going along with what the policy is. Just because the policy has been used for several years by Tecumseh and other schools does not make the policy right.
I also would never say, nor believe that a teacher should never be hired, this is unethical as well, however like in most employment positions around the world, people are interviewed and hired based on the best qualifications for the position, If this is the case and I was not hired then I have nothing more to say, but to say “I am not a teacher” as the reason for not
being qualified is wrong and so is the hiring or only teachers.
Tracy,the end result here is you would rather attack my “grammar errors” (This is kind of arrogant of you seeing this posting area is not a place where most people take the time and care to make sure everything is correct for you) or make the discussion about the overall quality of the school. This was not what I was talking about, so if you wish please try and defend the hiring policy and tell me why teaches are better qualified for the position as coach, because research does not agree nor do I.
The process seems simple enough, but maybe some need it explained to them. Coaching positions are not run-of-the-mill teaching jobs. Teaching jobs should be filled from within whenever possible. God knows there is already a shortage of teachers in this country, and whenever one is needed, a job should be made available to them. However, when a coaching job becomes available, you can’t just hire the first Joe Blow who is interested in the position.
Arrogance
It is not arrogant to expect a job applicant to provide proper grammar in a public forum. Our coaches represent our city, and "Joe Blow" isn't a glimmering beacon of intelligence.
@Probably being rude and still being rude
I am against the hiring only teaches for coaching positions, did this include me getting passed up for a job of course. You can assume anything you wish, I have made my point several times on here. You can continue to take the discussion to other things, but why not answer the questions I have asked. To this point no one has answered the questions and I know why, there is no good answer that you can provide to justify the hiring practice.
It is also nice of you to point out my mistakes when typing, as if this test, I am sure you have never made a mistake have you. Most people who have no defense to this kind of hiring practice usually bring up different things to keep from answering the questions.
Teachers are trained to teach, not coach... There have been many sports studies to support my position, that teachers do not always make the best coaches because they are not trained in coaching. After all we would never hire someone who has no training in teaching to teach would we? No so why hire a coach who has no training in coaching?
Many studies also show that coaches provide as much or more “life lesions” and you do not have to be a teacher to provide that, in fact studies support that non-teachers have a greater impact on students because they can devote more time and effort.
If no one advocates for change then nothing will ever change, I will not just sit back and turn a blind eye to this and just go along with the policies that do not have any barring on you, which is why you can sit back and not give a crap about it.
So it seems as nothing you have said is valid, or worth much aside for my typing errors that I will admit I did, I often type and respond quickly, this leads to miss typing and spelling errors. I am not perfect and there is no such thing as a “perfect educator”.
Lets see you please answer the basic questions of the discussion.
Why is it right to hire only teachers?
Is it moral?
Why just sit back and go along with the policy, instead why don’t you apply some ethical questions and reach your own answer.
Why is it deemed that teachers are better qualified?
Let see if you can answer the questions, please try and defend the hiring policy and tell me why teaches are better qualified for the position as coach.
P.S I am on the Dean's list at Siena Heights so I think that speaks for my education, thank you!
Cite a studies or quit using it...
I'm curious to know about these studies that you often cite that indicate that non-teachers make better coaches. Please provide a citation so I can look it up...though I must admit that I'm scared of my son receiving "life lesions"...are they contagious? Sorry, that was snippy.
See, anyone can make a typo...
Sorry about the typo in my previous heading...bad karma for being snippy.
Why is it right to hire only teachers?
I'll keep it short and sweet:
IT IS MORE ECONOMICALLY EFFICIENT WHEN WE ARE IN A RECESSION.
IT DECREASES THE LEVEL OF FINANCIAL LIABILITY.
Im pleased !!!
I know coach Mensing wanted the job as A.D. and I hear he isnt happy knowing Randolph got it . Mr. Randolph is a ill tempered man when provoked (like myself) and he is the perfect choice for keeping Mensing on a short leash ! Considering Mensing cant control his coache Id say he needs a firm hand !
Why is Jason Mensing the
Why is Jason Mensing the varsity football coach? The last good football coaches at the Tecumseh were the two junior varsity cats who had winning seasons every time years and years ago. Osborn and somebody????
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