It was basically the same ol' show for Tecumseh varsity football. The score says it all - Indians lose 55-7 against visiting Adrian.
FYI: Tecumseh has a very strong 5th and 6th youth football program with amazing coaches...both of my boys excelled from their experience on the field. They currently are in 7th and 9th grade and still loving the sport. So the foundation is there!
I'm just stating the obvious here when I say that you guys obviously have no lives and are living vicariously through these teenage boys. Anyone over the age of, say, 18 who cares about HIGH SCHOOL football this much must have no life. I MEAN, seriously?? It is high school. You've been there, done that. There is no "we played badly", as there is no "we" on that team. THEY played badly and THEIR program needs to be fixed. THERE IS NO "WE". Maybe if the public stopped caring and boycotted the football games, changes would be made. Get off the computer and put some sort of plan into action. And GROW UP.
A strong youth football program could be a great thing to help build the high school teams strength. Where im from in Ohio the kids are in full pads in first grade. 5 home games and 5 away. The system is set up by the high school and midddle school coaches. The parents are involved with teaching the fundamentals of the game before the kids ever reach the middle school fields. Many of the high school and middle school coaches earn there stripes in these youth games before they are put in place to coach at the higher levels. Without strong community support and the suppport of the coaches in our schools we will continue to be where we are in football.
I have lived in Tecumseh for around 25 years now. I have seen a flag football program, but i couldnt tell you where or when these games take place, or what involvement the coaches of the middle and high school have with this program. In my opinion we need a grass roots movement to get the ball rolling for a bigger and better youth program to help our high school teams or more parents will be sending their kids to Adrian and Saline.
You have a very good point! If you look closely at Chelsea, Adrian, Saline EXC, you will find that they all have very good youth programs for both football and basketball and this makes a huge difference.
For Tecumseh, I am not sure what they do other than flag football, which has little to no involvement by the school coaches, I do know that the parks and rec have talked about having their involvement. As for basketball there is NO youth program other than parks and rec.
The former AD Mr. Mills, declined to put anything together in the way of a youth program seven years ago, even though he knew and said it was something we should do to help make a difference in the overall program. I myself, tried twice to make a written proposal to start a youth program but nothing was done at all. The parks and rec department has changed many of its structure for its basketball program for this coming year to help try to make the overall quality better.
You are right when it comes to the youth sports, it is the foundation for what could become a very good athletics in the future, I have seen many kids who started basketball at the 3rd grade level, get to the sixth grade level and their ability is more of freshmen. Now to get Tecumseh to implement a youth program is all together a different story, we know the advantages of doing so.
What is it? O forget it! You just do not understand, under your thinking another 7 years will go by and we will still be talking about these same problems.
Most games are won or lost before you ever step on the playing surface,as a result of your program structure.
Thank you, Mr. Alvarado, for looking into this. :)
Boom...did you really just throw Mr. Schmidt to the wolves? Why? Geez. Support Mr. Mensing and trash Mr. Schmidt.
You must not have understood what I was saying...
I support Coach Schmidt.
I heard yesterday that Mensing is leaving after this year and taking a position with the newly created Siena Heights Football Team. Anyone else heard I spoke to about 10 different people around town last night that all heard the same news. If it is true I guess I will now let my 3 sons play football.
To be a policy, out of respect they should do it...Cramping is not an excuse, seeing that if it would be a prolonged wait time no one would expect them to have to be on a knee for that entire time. But to do so when the player first gets hurt, for a short amount of time is the respectful thing to do.
Again, do they have to be told by a policy that it is the right thing? It just blows my mind to even ponder it.
I spoke with Tecumseh's athletic director, Casey Randolph, about the knee issue and he said it is not, at this time, the Tecumseh football program's policy to take a knee when a player is injured. The boys wait quietly and clap when the injured player is helped off the field as the JV team did in Adrian. The reason is because cramping may occur, especially if waiting an extended time on an injured player that needs to be taken out on a stretcher. Some teams take a knee while others do not. Randolph added that the Southeastern Conference does not have a policy requiring teams to take a knee or stand. He said he is going to bring up the issue during the conference's athletic director meeting on Wednesday. I’m writing a column about it for this week’s Herald.
So your saying we need to continue to do it the same way we are now ? Your way has 6 or 8 Seniors on the varsity team out of a graduating class of 250 ! Your way has led to lowest number of players Ive seen anywhere for a school our size ! Your way has led to another season of loss ! Your way has led to us being the laughing stock of the SEC ! Your way thinks honor and community pride is manure ! All I can say to that is you must be a coach or 6 yearold kid ? Use your real name and show us your a real man or woman !
My way is to support the coaches that I believe are doing the best they can with what they have. Tecumseh plays in a league with schools that have 2000 students. [And before you point out that Adrian has the same amount of students as Tecumseh -- Adrian won this year, but Tecumseh has beaten them in the past -- recently even.] I don't care who the coach is, it will always be difficult to win under those circumstances. I'm not saying its impossible, I'm just saying its more difficult and great seasons are harder to come by. I think that's obvious.
And if you say there are other fall sports that compete for championships in the SEC, please remember, if you want more kids to play football, you may take away from those programs.
Finally, I have community pride and so do our coaches. Coach Mensing grew up in Tecumseh, played football in Tecumseh, lives in Tecumseh, and teaches in Tecumseh. He had opportunities to coach in other places, but he chose to come home. I know he has pride and would be affended by the "manure" coming out of your mouth. I know I am.
If my way is wrong, I am sorry, but your way is worse. You have your opinion, but you are not helping.
There is no blue print for success for any coach in every situation, but there is a blue print that Ad's and coaches can use to greatly increase the chances of success for every program. No matter how big or small schools are, the program philosophy that promotes the greater good for all, and empowers the players to take ownership of what they are doing is a driving force behind every successful team.
Success comes from a sound foundation, a sound structure, sound player development. At the heart of every successful program is a AD who instills many of these things, its more than pride, more then being a "good person for the kids to be around". After all Principle Mill's knew this when he was the AD but did not do anything to change it. How do I know? He told me, and stressed that it was a problem at Tecumseh!
I have seen schools with half the number of kids then another school, and these teams play, compete and win because of the program that is in place. Yes the SEC is not an easy league, this is all the more reason that you have to put a solid program foundation together.
I ask you why is Chelsea, Dexter, Saline and others seem to be so much better at football and basketball? Is it that they recruit? Is it they cheat? Is it that they are just that much better then Tecumseh? The answer is NO! The answer is the process by which they run their athletic teams by..... The system, the foundation!
I am 100% sure Mensing has community pride, I am sure he loves Tecumseh, I am sure he is a great guy..... But these things alone will not produce success for him or others. Why has the softball team, baseball team and some other sports, had success? A very good Little League system!
Was that directed at Boom?
Yes it was directed at boom !
Who are the JV coaches ? Are they teachers within our district?
Football Varsity Jason Mensing Jmensing@tps.k12.mi.us YES
Football H.S. Asst Kris Hoag firstname.lastname@example.org YES
Football H.S. Asst. Joe Linde email@example.com YES
Football H.S. Asst. Jacob Houser firstname.lastname@example.org YES
Football H.S. Asst. Craig Freestone email@example.com YES
Football H.S. Asst. William Kasper ??
Footbball H.S. Asst Sean Hoeft ??
Football JV Joe Clifford firstname.lastname@example.org Does not look like it.
Football Freshman Dave Haesler email@example.com YES
There are some sport programs in Tecumseh that continue to make strides. The wrestling, bowling, volleyball, softball, swimming, soccer, and cross country teams all seem to have great seasons and great coaches. Don't get upset - I gotta ask - why is so much negative energy focused on Mensing? Maybe i dont know the whole story? Isn't he an alumni of Tecumseh? Please, someone tell me the issues that involve this guy. He merely a high school football coach. Why so much hate?
So what I hear is that Face Book is a news source? Well I guess it is better than the Herald. We can all take pieces of a story and come up with our on conclusions. Opinions are like...well we all can finish that sentence. And Mike B, with people like you who needs your support anyway. You just spread manure everywhere you go. These young men go out and play as hard as they can for their school and I hope they don't read this blog. After awhile you can only be beat down so many times by your own community.
No one on here has ever said the kids don't play hard! No one has ever said the kids are bad, lack talent or any other thing of the sort, Quite the contrary, we have said they are GREAT KIDS, very hard working and in fact deserve much better than coach's who use the N word, and display the total lack of sportsmanship, ethics and sound leadership.
The quality of any program any where, at any level is all about the program system that is in place, the coaching staff, an AD who hires the best person possible and then program and player development. Tecumseh has lacked in many of these areas for its football and basketball teams for a long time.
The results show what it is, the continued thinking that "things will just make a surprise turnaround" without making major changes to the system, is what has been done for years and is wishful thinking. To dogmatically accept what is being done is not using sound ethical questions to see what the problems are.
You have every right to feel the way you do, but that kind of thinking has resulted in 10 plus years of continued struggle for them.
Man, do I wish you would have gotten the Varsity Basketball job. I would love to see you puke all over yourself and fail miserably. Do you comment on the Daily Telegram website or do you just like to hammer your EX-community? YOUR KID DOESN'T GO HERE! PLEASE STOP!
Dear Coach Schmidt,
Please resign and push for this idiot to get your job.
Why don't you use your real name? Instead of hiding behind a fake name. The fact that you do not truly know me shows your lack of understanding of just how I could have coached these players and my history of successful coaching in the past, says otherwise. BUT this was not about ME, it was about the struggles of a athletic team(s).
Why do I care? Because I care about the players that I know are better then the results they get year after year. MY kid does not have to go to Tecumseh for me to care or want the best for them. I know many of them very well.
I do speak up against anything anywhere, the Daily Telegram included, that I feel is wrong, what makes my opinion closer to what is in fact the truth? I have a degree in Sport Management that would allow me to make such educated opinions.
Come on, can you tell me that you do not want them to succeed? Because this is what it is really about! Not a grudge, not a personal problem. It's about some people realizing the problem and wanting it to be corrected, some people like you can sit there and make it about things that it is not, make excuses for the process of the athletic teams of football and basketball and again dogmatically accept what they tell you.
I do not hate Tecumseh, nor do I have any problems with the men who conduct their business, however I can see (as many do) that there are things that these same men do not do well...... Using the N word, Unsportsmanlike conduct, repeated history of coaches and no change to the process.
This is not just a simple "the coaches are at fault" It is the entire process of the athletic department! ------ Coach Schmidt is a great guy, and I do not want his job or any other at Tecumseh until the process is changed. Anyone who takes a position with the current system in place is at a huge disadvantage before even getting on the playing field.
But you can sit there and have the same thing happen for the next 10 years if you like, but nothing will change with the end result like I said 7 years ago,
I confirmed with a student that was there, supposedly he was hurt close to the sidelines - so the coaches told the Tecumseh players they didn't need to kneel. More of Mike McAran's personality pouring right out though the coaches.
Wish I didnt have the facts cocerning this one ! All of this reflects piss poor leadership from Mr. Mensing and his undercoaches and Mr. McAran for his tolerance of it . Maybe Adrian wouldnt of blown the score board up last week if our JV coaches would have shown a little respect towards a hurt player ? Football is about so much more then the score board ! Its about HONOR , INTEGRITY , REPRESENTING YOUR COMMUNITY , BEING A ROLE MODEL , AND SETTING A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THE YOUTH IN YOUR COMMUNITY !!!!! A coach who is a sore loser throwing out the N word after being beat and then needing to be restrained and its all done infront of the community ! A player from another team breaks his leg during the game and our coaches refuse to allow our boys to take a knee infront of Adrians community and members of our community ! Prior to this season our team and our coaches couldnt even manage to be on the turf during the playing of the National Anthom and how many VETS sat in the stands watching that go on ? I can nolonger support the program under its current leadership and I apologize to the boys but I just cant do it !
Then don't support it and stop talking about it to no end. You are not smart.
And no one said the N word. That is a fact.
Remember we are talking about "qualified" coaches! Great examples for the kids... First the N word and now this. Someone PLEASE explain to me why these people are "more qualified".
O yea, let me remind you that these people were hired because they were deemed "good for the kids" and "ethical, moral"..... What happens now, fire Mensing and admit they were wrong?
I don't want to believe it. :( Thanks for the info, Mike.
Im all but 100% sure that it did happen because a friend on Facebook had it posted on her wall and 2 Varsity players said they dont take a knee when there own players get hurt ! The Adrian person asked me what the hell it was about at Wal-Mart while I was shopping and the other person has a player on that team and we have talked before about the direction of Tecumseh football and he is considering pulling his son out and sending him to another district ! A simple phone call to the A.D.s office should get you the story and if not I could get a letter to the editor from someone who did see it go on .
Well Mickey, you may not have been there but this sounds like it needs looked into. Maybe you could pass this along to another reporter that could look this up? I'm very interested in knowing. To not take a knee during an injury? That is very bad. Rivary aside, this a terrible act . It is very disgusting, is this what the football program has turned into?
Does the Herald attend JV games? That is an incredible story, Mike...I'd like to know, too, if it is true. Wow.
The Herald does not cover JV games but accepts and publishes result submissions whenever possible.
Well if we went on recent history between Tecumseh and Clinton we would probably come out on the short end. They've beaten us in Softball , Baseball , Basketball , Youth football and this summer LIttle League Softball. Interesting , considering they have 1/2 the students we do!!
Did you happen to hear about the fiasco at the J.V. football game last week ? I was told by 3 different people who attended that game ( 1 from Adrian) that a Adrian player broke his leg during the game and the Adrian players took a knee after the whistle and when the Tecumseh players took a knee OUR COACHES told them to stand up ! The total lack of respect OUR COACHES showed Adrian , its players , its fans , and the young man who was hurt is unexceptable ! Afew weeks ago it was one of our coaches useing the N word and now this ! I was wondering what you knew about this ? Also , my money is on Clinton if Mensing is gonna coach our boys in that game !
I'd love to revive an annual varsity football game against Tecumseh and Clinton! I can't resist traditional rivalry games and this one goes back to at least the late 1929s and early 1930s. I found a 1929 Tecumseh Herald article that says Tecumseh would be entertaining its OLD rival, Clinton, for the annual Thanksgiving Day game on Nov. 28, for the final contest of the season. The article goes on to say the teams finished in scoreless ties the two previous years. Tecumseh was able to defeat Clinton 26-7 in the 1929 Turkey Day game. Who do I think would win if we played this year? I'd like to think we get to see another scoreless draw!
I said early on Tecumseh had better win early in the season while the teams where soft because Adrian , Chelsea . and Bedford would be tough (they are every year !) I dont think any of us thought with our record we would take down Adrian ? I now refuse to attend the games and simply stay home and hear it on the radio . My support for the team is over until Mr. Mensing is removed as head coach ! I figure if the A.D. and the school Superintendant wont support the team by giving them a proven winning coach who understands the game then I wont either ! I would say within 2 years if left unchecked Tecumseh wont even beable to put a team together due to the total lack of players who simply refuse to play for Mensing .
Really, you want to debate why you think it's better to be called the Shooting Stars than the Indians? We are honoring Chief Tecumseh by calling ourselves the Indians. The names of our teams generally is to strike fear in our opponents. Somehow Shooting Stars doesn't do much for me. The move to change our name was done to appease the current living Indian culture, not to honor Chief Tecumseh. What's next, change the city name also. ?
I want to know what you think Mickey, Tecumseh against Clinton I know it would be a tight game, but do you think Clinton would have what it takes to beat them too? I mean they act like Adrian is some rivalry, I think they should change conferences if they want to be competitive.
This is what you worry about Dave? These are your concerns for Tecumseh and the school district? How the varsity football team would do in a football game vs. Clinton and not enough parking at Indian Stadium? Really? I read your posts and those from another former resident and feel like I am watching a sequel to Step Brothers.
Don't know where you get your information, but I am not a FORMER resident - I live in Tecumseh and I know that no one on the Board cares what the actual concerns are or addressing them, so why not talk about how the football team could be creamed by smaller schools too? Obviously you didn't go to the game, or you wouldn't be so quick to blow off the lack of foresight by the leadership. I guess your dander is only up because you are one of the good old boys I was talking about.
He is talking about me!!! (I am the former) Perhaps he should have sent his son to Adrian like they were thinking about last year, at least he would have been on a competitive team, and would have been with people that have an understanding of what it takes to make good decisions and be accountable for what they do.
Dave, they could be competitive in football, basketball and others if the system was changed I am very sure of that, they have had a load of talent over the years. Tim's son and the kids in that class are all very talented but one thing always remains the same. They change coaches who just apply their own thoughts on an offense and defense but NEVER change the system that the kids are use to.
O yea, and if anything we are watching the movie "Groundhog Day" as we seem to be seeing the same thing at Tecumseh over and over!
Why is it sad? The Shawnee Indian leader Tecumseh's name meant "Shooting Star."
Doesn't Shooting Stars seem wrong to say. Kinda wimpy ? Just saying, can't we stand up, fight, and just be the Indians already? So sad.
At least the band is great. Way to go Shooting Stars!
You do not sound very excited! I feel bad for all of the athletes, they are all very good kids and deserve much better!
My question is, when will people learn? When will the proper decisions be made for the students? Over the last 10 years the football team and basketball teams have struggled. They have had different coaches, different players, but the same result!
Problem is every coach that was hired did little to change the structure, the system of what was done and produced the same result. Each coach has not changed the system for the entire program(s). Expectations, player development, fundamentals,and structure needs to change......... I said 7 years ago this was the problem and it still is because it has not been changed.It is not a player problem but a system (structure) problem.
Nice job Adrian Southeastern - White Champs!!!!!
Mike, it's not the people that need to learn, because the people have been screaming for change, but it always seem to fall on deaf ears. I think we can all agree what ears are not listening without having to call 'them" out. I watched the kids play last night and those kids played their hearts out, they were just out coached.......AGAIN!
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